One of the areas in which contemporary Christians are most confused is in the space betwixt faith and culture. One need not listen to the Christian opinion-makers long before he hears the related terms and phrases lobbed around with nearly anarchic whimsy.We're told that we are in the midst of a culture war. We note that some declare there is a need to redeem culture while others seek to flee to far-flung corners of middle America in order to segregate from a wicked and unbelieving culture. We are told that we are living in a post-modern culture and that our reactions to things should be shifted accordingly.
Most of this is just band-wagoneering. Most of this is the result of people half-hearing something they half-understand and running with it. Most of this is unfounded and reactionary. But some of it comes from well-thought-out yet misguided sources - from people who approach the problem of living in a wicked and deceitful generation from a marred foundation. It's understandable that there should be some errors in this area, but let's see if we can't (at the least) clear out some of the muck.
To this end, I think it might be helpful to post the following transcripted interview conducted between myself and Michael Cossarwal that was recorded last weekend in a small sound studio in Long Beach (represent).
THE DANE: Michael, it's good to speak with you again. This is an interesting topic today: Culture vs Christianity. And for some reason, you fancy yourself something of an expert on the matter. What exactly are your qualifications?
MICHAEL COSSARWAL: Thank you The Dane. It is good to be back. And, well, while I don't think I would label myself an expert, as such, I do believe I have a number of helpful things to say on the subject. As to my qualifications for being any kind of an authority here? Well, I suppose three things come to mind: first, I am a Christian; next, I'm not entirely unfamiliar with the New Testament; and lastly, I have lived in culture for all my life, eating, breathing, sleeping - all in the midst of culture - and so I think I'm pretty familiar with the way it all works and stuff.
TD: Unlike most everyone else?
MC: Indeed. Oh yes, and a fourth qualification: I also have ego enough to tell you what I think.
TD: Again, unlike most everyone else?
MC: Quite.
TD: Alright then, let's get started with the meat of the interview and see if you can't unpack some of your ideas for us. To start, why don't you describe for our listeners what exactly culture is.
MC: Right, well see, culture isn't nearly so mysterious a topic as some would have you believe. It's not anything noble or grand. It's not something that moves and breathes. It's not anything like that. Essentially, culture is nothing greater than the natural byproduct of society, or community. When people gather together, the natural reflection of who they are and what they believe is that pile of stuff we call "culture."
TD: So... essentially what you're saying is that culture is nothing more than the waste of a body of people?
MC: Hm, I think that's stating it a little strong. Really, let's look at it this way: culture is the environment produced when people in a community interact. So in effect, culture isn't anything tangible at all; it's more the gossamer evidence of who the people in a community are.
TD:
Example?
MC: Okay, so say you have a city-state of...
TD: City-state?
MC: [sighs] Just go with it... so you have this city-state of 17,000 people and each of them has believed from childhood the battle and sacrifice are the noblest of activities. They believe that one cannot enter into paradise (or their equivalent of it) unless dying in battle for the good of the city-state. The culture, propelled by these beliefs, will look very violent to the outsider who doesn't not share their ideology. The outsider will see a people who fight and die almost incessantly. A people who skill with the sword is unparalleled. Yet a people who couldn't build a cake to save their lives.
TD: Alright. That makes sense. But so I notice you make a distinction between ideology and culture.
MC: Of course. Because they are different. They are two completely separate things. Okay, so let's lay it out. you've got three separate things that too often get lumped together as one amalgamous blob of pseudo-intellectual stuffs. You've got community, ideology, and culture. Ideology is the bridge between a community and it's culture. It is the ideology that causes a community to exhibit a particular culture - yet the culture is nothing more than the evidence of a community's ideology.
TD: Okay, I'll pretend to understand that.
MC: Well, let's look at that warlike city-state again. The outsider sees this community fighting and dying and glorying in that fighting and dying and what does he deduce? That this here is a community that prizes battle above all else. See? So the culture is evidence of the ideology, but with a different ideology, the culture exhibited would look entirely different.
TD: Alright, I'm getting all this. So let's move on. What about the Christians interaction with culture?
MC: See, this is where it starts getting sticky. I think that when we start talking about interacting with culture, we're already drawing ourselves off track. See? What's the point in interacting with the byproduct when its the source that we are really interested in interacting with? I mean, sure, by dealing with a community's culture, we might better understand that community but beyond the informational aspect, there's not much value in interacting with a culture. One cannot effect change in the culture by interacting with it - since the culture is wholly produced by something else (the community). And then, even if one could somehow affect the culture - the evidence of ideology - it's still being changed after the fact of production and so no real, or visceral, change is being accomplished.
TD: So then, for the Christian, the problem isn't culture?
MC: Of course it isn't. I like to represent it like this. Culture is a symptom (supposing here we're talking about a culture we don't like). Pretend that the ideology of a community is cancerous. Culture is the first evidence that something is awry. And as tempting as it can be to do so, we all know that merely treating the symptoms - the visible evidence of the cancer - is often more harmful than good because it camouflages the problem.
In the end, this is the problem when Christians seek to redeem culture - they (of the community of God) are trying to take something created by the community of the world and pass it off as something that will resemble the evidence of the community of God. And really, where is the reward in that? As with the temporary relieving of the beginnings of cancer pain with Vicodin or whatever, affecting the product of a community's ideology (i.e., the symptom, the culture) the temporary relief gained is only enough to make life momentarily more comfortable - yet not enough to make any change that will matter in the long run.
TD: So does the fact that people want to say make a big stink about the ten commandments being on a courthouse or that they want to hold God in the Matrix seminars - does that make you angry?
MC: Angry? Well, no. Not angry. I do kinda shake my head though. I mean, what's the point really. I mean, ignoring the fact that there's no way for America to be a democracy AND follow the ten commandments - I mean, have you ever read the first one? Ignoring that, what do they hope to gain by it? A nation that looks on the surface like a Christian nation? One where people talk Godspeak all day long absent actual belief. I mean, pardon me, but been there done that, y'know? I mean, lookit the founding fathers. God this and God that - yet still they showed nothing resembling true faith. I mean, come on, armed rebellion against the government that God had placed over them?
TD: So you see no benefit in the Christian influencing culture?
MC: Influencing culture? Heavens no. Influencing the community for sure. I don't even think influencing the ideology should be big on the to-do list either. But influencing the community, yeah. Change the nature of the community and the rest will fall into place naturally. Take a a worldly community, change it into a heavenly one and WHAMMO! All the sudden you've got a community with a heavenly ideology and the heavenly culture that is a natural result of it.
TD: Okay, so why do you think so many believers have bought into this idea of affecting/influencing/redeeming the culture around them?
MC: Hate to say it, but I think it's all a result of an impoverished reliance upon the gospel as a means to change lives. No longer does the believer actually believe that the preaching of the word is the means to saving grace. So, having given up on the gospel, the believer must look to other means to bring about the kingdom of heaven (or a reasonable facsimile). And of course these other means are inadequate.
TD: This is some pretty strong stuff you're saying. You're basically bagging on the livelihoods of quite a few popular Christian personalities.
MC: Yes. I know. And believe me, I'm not happy to do it. I think it's just about time somebody called their bluff. They're devoting massive amounts of time to an empty cause. Who knows, maybe someone will hear this, see the writing on the wall, and change their path. That's my hope. That this interview will keep at least one person from being fooled by the pretty lure and winding up with a barb the size of Cincinnati in the roof of their mouth. And I'm not saying people can't spend anytime toying with culture, but they need to realize that it only has the value of a simple hobby like, say, model railroads, comics, or World of Warcraft. Actually, seeking to influence culture is probably most like playing World of Warcraft.
TD: Alright, so what's your take on the so-called culture wars?
MC: [chortles] Okay, well first, if you're talking about the disparity between the evidence of the two communities, then you're talking about something that's been in effect for millennia. But really, again, it's not that we have anything like our culture vs. their culture. It's more our community vs. their community - the kingdom of God vs. the kingdom of this world. And yeah, that goes back to Genesis 4, right? The seed of heaven vs. the seed of the serpent. And so yeah, there's a war - just not a culture war. Who should give a rip about culture when souls are on the line? Seriously, that about as extreme a blind eye as one could turn.
TD: And so, how do you think the Christian ought to react to the worldly culture and community around him?
MC: Well, I kinda like the way that Scripture deals with it. We are in the world yet not of the world. And the reason for this? Not that we might make the world look like us (since where's the sense in that?), but that we might change the world itself - again, not what it looks like, but the world itself. I mean, you don't see the apostles travelling from city to city trying to get the pagans about to start living decent lives, to start agreeing that Platonic thought isn't quite right, that there is too much pedophilia in the Senate. No, what you do see is the apostles going everywhere proclaiming the glory of the gospel of Christ, making citizens of heaven of former citizens of the Roman empire by the only means they know how. A means given them by God. The apostles understand the community in which they live, the ideology to which that community adheres, and the culture that ideology produces - and where do they aim their efforts? The conversion of the soul - and hence, the conversion of the community; everything else will follow naturally.
TD: So back to the redemption of culture idea...?
MC: The short answer is this: culture is incapable of redemption. If culture is merely the evidence of what a community is, people are trying to change the evidence. You can't accomplish this. I don't even suggest people try. They'll only get confused and headaches and probably lots of acne. You can redeem the source and that's it. Well, to correct, Christ can redeem the source. And once the source is redeemed, the culture is naturally a culture that is the exhibition of redemption.
TD: Okay so a few quick questions from one of our listeners that kinda strikes along these lines. Scott, from the Confederates States of America writes in: So what do you think of expressing Christianity as culture? For example, is it awesome or cheezy to incorporate elements of one's faith into a music. Is it sweet or does it suck to analyze any song (lyrics, structure, all of it) in light of the Gospel? Or are the humanities neutral disciplines in which the Gospel would only drive one to produce excellence in whatever form?
MC: Simply put, the culture expressed by Christians is necessarily Christian - whether overtly or otherwise. When I write music, I am writing Christian music. Even if it's only a song about much I love/hate lobsters. It's still evidence (though incomplete) of who I am and where my ideologies lie. As for whether its awesome of cheezy to incorporate faith into one's art? I'd say neither or either depending. It can be awesome or cheezy to incorporate the colour blue into a painting depending on the skill with which it is done. The same holds true for all things. Poorly done equals cheesy while well done equals awesome (except in cases of steak). As far as analyzing lyrics? Not my bag but maybe you can find some pleasure in it - and I'm man enough to allow you to do so. Just don't make it out to be more important than it is.
And what was that last bit? Oh yeah, regarding the gospel driving one to produce excellence? I think that's just not right. I think there is a divorce between the gospel and aesthetics. I don't think they're concerned with each other. I think we see this in the preaching of Paul. No doubt his words were powerful and the Spirit moved with strength through his proclamation of the gospel - yet he himself mentions that he wasn't and excellent speaker. So evidently, the gospel didn't drive him to oratory excellence.
TD: Hm, interesting. Well, we're just about out of time now, so I've just got one final question, Michael.
MC: Shoot, brutha.
TD: How on earth did you become so handsome?
MC: Uh, you wrote me this way?
TD: [laughs] Hah, so I did! Well then, on that note. We'll say goodbye and open it up to listener dialogue! Good day all!
[based on conversations with Scott and Jolly]